maybe a bit muddy when it rains, but great places. and parking 12 euros for a day in the city is really not that bad. at the campsite the same noise from the road and almost 3x as expensive. Is full. really great to explore the city and it is very worthwhile. useful with dogs etc. And if you have a bus with a folding roof like we do, you sleep downstairs, no more noise at night. so everything is relative. and in the super high season it's nice that we have a place.